Comments on: iPhone native Apps: the great leap backwards? http://www.webdirections.org/blog/iphone-native-apps-the-great-leap-backwards/ Just another WordPress weblog Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:39:28 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Web Directions @media Interview: Jonathan Stark – Mobile Web Apps | Website Developer Research & Developmenthttp://www.webdirections.org/blog/iphone-native-apps-the-great-leap-backwards/comment-page-1/#comment-221250 Web Directions @media Interview: Jonathan Stark – Mobile Web Apps | Website Developer Research & Development Tue, 01 Jun 2010 11:08:56 +0000 http://www.webdirections.org/?p=565#comment-221250 [...] iPhone native Apps: the great leap backwards? [...] […] iPhone native Apps: the great leap backwards? […]

]]> By: Web Directions @media Interview: Jonathan Stark – Mobile Web Appshttp://www.webdirections.org/blog/iphone-native-apps-the-great-leap-backwards/comment-page-1/#comment-221248 Web Directions @media Interview: Jonathan Stark – Mobile Web Apps Tue, 01 Jun 2010 07:47:53 +0000 http://www.webdirections.org/?p=565#comment-221248 [...] iPhone native Apps: the great leap backwards? [...] […] iPhone native Apps: the great leap backwards? […]

]]> By: Web Directions @media Interview: Jonathan Stark — Mobile Web Apps | Website Developer Research & Developmenthttp://www.webdirections.org/blog/iphone-native-apps-the-great-leap-backwards/comment-page-1/#comment-221247 Web Directions @media Interview: Jonathan Stark — Mobile Web Apps | Website Developer Research & Development Tue, 01 Jun 2010 03:03:12 +0000 http://www.webdirections.org/?p=565#comment-221247 [...] iPhone native Apps: the great leap backwards? [...] […] iPhone native Apps: the great leap backwards? […]

]]> By: The future of development? Palm’s web technology grounded Pre launches next week | Web Directionshttp://www.webdirections.org/blog/iphone-native-apps-the-great-leap-backwards/comment-page-1/#comment-198687 The future of development? Palm’s web technology grounded Pre launches next week | Web Directions Thu, 04 Jun 2009 22:56:09 +0000 http://www.webdirections.org/?p=565#comment-198687 [...] Our interest is simple - the way you develop for the Pre and its new webOS is to use CSS, HTML and JavaScript. Now, this was the way Apple initially announced you should develop applications for the iPhone, but then ultimately realeased their own Cocoa based development framework for native iPhone apps, CocoaTouch, which we suggested was a “great leap backwards”. [...] […] Our interest is simple — the way you develop for the Pre and its new webOS is to use CSS, HTML and JavaScript. Now, this was the way Apple initially announced you should develop applications for the iPhone, but then ultimately realeased their own Cocoa based development framework for native iPhone apps, CocoaTouch, which we suggested was a “great leap backwards”. […]

]]> By: michellehttp://www.webdirections.org/blog/iphone-native-apps-the-great-leap-backwards/comment-page-1/#comment-163213 michelle Tue, 17 Mar 2009 16:26:21 +0000 http://www.webdirections.org/?p=565#comment-163213 Just like in the non-mobile world both apps have there place, and it pains me that apple doesn't just offer some simple xcode templates which expose uiwebkit, and would be acceptable in the app store. So the app would mainly be webbased but have a native look and feel. (much like air on the desktop) Yes you can do that with just an uiwebview, but apple considers that a webclipping app and WILL reject it.Given that there is a lot functionality you need the native environment for. Not to mention if you have some functionality when the web is unavailable or your hitting multiple web sites, or want to keep open multiple sessions and push data from one session to another using server push. btw. I'm still trying to work that one through because there seems to be a bug in using multiple uiwebviews.The point is, from an enterprise coporate standards apps that get and display data from webpages are probably more cost effective as web apps and more secure. But if you need phone functionality or more polished look an feel you want to use a native wrapper.We have a project using the server side icefaces here, you might be interested in. www.mooncatventures.com/blogs Just like in the non-mobile world both apps have there place, and it pains me that apple doesn’t just offer some simple xcode templates which expose uiwebkit, and would be acceptable in the app store. So the app would mainly be webbased but have a native look and feel. (much like air on the desktop) Yes you can do that with just an uiwebview, but apple considers that a webclipping app and WILL reject it.

Given that there is a lot functionality you need the native environment for. Not to mention if you have some functionality when the web is unavailable or your hitting multiple web sites, or want to keep open multiple sessions and push data from one session to another using server push. btw. I’m still trying to work that one through because there seems to be a bug in using multiple uiwebviews.

The point is, from an enterprise coporate standards apps that get and display data from webpages are probably more cost effective as web apps and more secure.
But if you need phone functionality or more polished look an feel you want to use a native wrapper.

We have a project using the server side icefaces here, you might be interested in.
http://www.mooncatventures.com/blogs

]]> By: Great moments in Hypocrisy (mine) | Web Directionshttp://www.webdirections.org/blog/iphone-native-apps-the-great-leap-backwards/comment-page-1/#comment-94336 Great moments in Hypocrisy (mine) | Web Directions Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:39:12 +0000 http://www.webdirections.org/?p=565#comment-94336 [...] some while back I wrote quite scathingly about native iPhone apps. I still stand by what I wrote there - but that hasn’t stopped me downloading some apps, and [...] […] some while back I wrote quite scathingly about native iPhone apps. I still stand by what I wrote there — but that hasn’t stopped me downloading some apps, and […]

]]> By: davehttp://www.webdirections.org/blog/iphone-native-apps-the-great-leap-backwards/comment-page-1/#comment-27150 dave Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:31:46 +0000 http://www.webdirections.org/?p=565#comment-27150 It should be easy to find 10 tasks that can only be performed natively. Things that are currently out of reach for a web app: accessing address book, appts on the calendar, using the camera, GPS, accelerometer, accessing media in the iPod library, picking photos from the library, core animation, recording/playing audio, accessing voicemail, etc.Seeing as you can embed a UIWebView control into a native app, it is fair to say that a native app can do pretty much anything a web app can do. However, a native app will have a hard time rendering custom content (even to the extent of text that uses multiple fonts) without resorting to this control.As it stands now, it appears a hybrid solution covers most that the device has to offer, but each SDK falls short when used on its own. It should be easy to find 10 tasks that can only be performed natively. Things that are currently out of reach for a web app: accessing address book, appts on the calendar, using the camera, GPS, accelerometer, accessing media in the iPod library, picking photos from the library, core animation, recording/playing audio, accessing voicemail, etc.

Seeing as you can embed a UIWebView control into a native app, it is fair to say that a native app can do pretty much anything a web app can do. However, a native app will have a hard time rendering custom content (even to the extent of text that uses multiple fonts) without resorting to this control.

As it stands now, it appears a hybrid solution covers most that the device has to offer, but each SDK falls short when used on its own.

]]> By: Susanhttp://www.webdirections.org/blog/iphone-native-apps-the-great-leap-backwards/comment-page-1/#comment-25261 Susan Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:06:12 +0000 http://www.webdirections.org/?p=565#comment-25261 Who can list 10 things that can be done with an 'iPhone app'... that's *IMPOSSIBLE* to do with an "iPhone web app"?Or... who can list other 10 things that can be done with an 'iPhone web app'... that's *IMPOSSIBLE* to do with an "iPhone app"? Who can list 10 things that can be done with an ‘iPhone app’… that’s *IMPOSSIBLE* to do with an “iPhone web app”?

Or… who can list other 10 things that can be done with an ‘iPhone web app’… that’s *IMPOSSIBLE* to do with an “iPhone app”?

]]> By: johnhttp://www.webdirections.org/blog/iphone-native-apps-the-great-leap-backwards/comment-page-1/#comment-24463 john Fri, 25 Jul 2008 00:53:55 +0000 http://www.webdirections.org/?p=565#comment-24463 Hi all,I've posted a follow up article addressing many of the comments here. Sorry it took a little time.http://www.webdirections.org/blog/iphone-native-apps-redux/ Hi all,

I’ve posted a follow up article addressing many of the comments here. Sorry it took a little time.

http://www.webdirections.org/blog/iphone-native-apps-redux/

]]> By: J Walkerhttp://www.webdirections.org/blog/iphone-native-apps-the-great-leap-backwards/comment-page-1/#comment-23570 J Walker Wed, 23 Jul 2008 13:55:00 +0000 http://www.webdirections.org/?p=565#comment-23570 Many have already stated this, but for me, your article hinges on a faulty premise; constant connectivity to the 'webs. I've been out of the country since late March, which until the 2.0 release, basically meant I had a nice iPod.That's really it, isn't it? It's hard to build a logical argument on such a flawed foundation. Of course, if the idea was to generate page views, then I would say your article was a success... Many have already stated this, but for me, your article hinges on a faulty premise; constant connectivity to the ‘webs. I’ve been out of the country since late March, which until the 2.0 release, basically meant I had a nice iPod.

That’s really it, isn’t it? It’s hard to build a logical argument on such a flawed foundation. Of course, if the idea was to generate page views, then I would say your article was a success…

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