<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/" > <channel><title>Comments on: The return of font embedding to the web?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.webdirections.org/blog/the-return-of-font-embedding-to-the-web/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.webdirections.org/blog/the-return-of-font-embedding-to-the-web/</link> <description>Just another WordPress weblog</description> <lastBuildDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 09:39:28 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1</generator> <item><title>By: Candy by James &#124; CSS 3 Fonts: The ideal</title><link>http://www.webdirections.org/blog/the-return-of-font-embedding-to-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-209451</link> <dc:creator>Candy by James &#124; CSS 3 Fonts: The ideal</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 16:11:09 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.webdirections.org/?p=701#comment-209451</guid> <description>[...] about the challenges that arise when using @font-face. Font licensing is one (that many others have written about) and the file-size of included font-files is another, but this article is about browser [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] about the challenges that arise when using @font-face. Font licensing is one (that many others have written about) and the file-size of included font-files is another, but this article is about browser […]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: yeah</title><link>http://www.webdirections.org/blog/the-return-of-font-embedding-to-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-165040</link> <dc:creator>yeah</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 16:52:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.webdirections.org/?p=701#comment-165040</guid> <description>Nicholas&gt; it&#039;s not working only the last one is used even using !importanttry it yourself next time</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nicholas&gt;<br /> it’s not working<br /> only the last one is used<br /> even using !important</p><p>try it yourself next time</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: A Call For Open Sourcing Our Fonts &#8212; Some Random Dude</title><link>http://www.webdirections.org/blog/the-return-of-font-embedding-to-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-153145</link> <dc:creator>A Call For Open Sourcing Our Fonts &#8212; Some Random Dude</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:09:22 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.webdirections.org/?p=701#comment-153145</guid> <description>[...] font embedding becomes commonplace on sites catering to current generation browsers. There is a large collection of blog articles discussing the obvious ramifications of embedding commercially-licensed [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] font embedding becomes commonplace on sites catering to current generation browsers. There is a large collection of blog articles discussing the obvious ramifications of embedding commercially-licensed […]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jeffrey Zeldman Presents : Saved from the deep</title><link>http://www.webdirections.org/blog/the-return-of-font-embedding-to-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-143745</link> <dc:creator>Jeffrey Zeldman Presents : Saved from the deep</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 18:21:58 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.webdirections.org/?p=701#comment-143745</guid> <description>[...] The return of font embedding to the web? &#124; Web Directions [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] The return of font embedding to the web? | Web Directions […]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Nicholas</title><link>http://www.webdirections.org/blog/the-return-of-font-embedding-to-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-122411</link> <dc:creator>Nicholas</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 23:09:27 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.webdirections.org/?p=701#comment-122411</guid> <description>I&#039;m not sure if this will work as I don&#039;t have Windows, but can you use the fact that IE doesn&#039;t support the format() specifier to reduce the code required to support both types of fonts to a single line?@font-face { font-family: Shiny; src: url(http://server.example/Shiny.eot); src: url(http://server.example/Shiny.ttf) format(truetype); }h1 { font-family: Shiny, sans-serif; }IE will parse the first line, understand it, and download the file. It will not understand the second line–it will try to download a file from &quot;http://server.example/Shiny.ttf) format(truetype&quot;–resulting in a 404, so the first file will get used. Safari will parse both lines, the second will override the first, and thus be used.If this method doesn&#039;t work, you can always use conditional comments to provide one src to IE and a different one to other browsers. This way you don&#039;t have to always have the same pair of font names in all your CSS.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m not sure if this will work as I don’t have Windows, but can you use the fact that IE doesn’t support the format() specifier to reduce the code required to support both types of fonts to a single line?</p><p>@font-face<br /> {<br /> font-family: Shiny;<br /> src: url(http://server.example/Shiny.eot);<br /> src: url(http://server.example/Shiny.ttf) format(truetype);<br /> }</p><p>h1 { font-family: Shiny, sans-serif; }</p><p>IE will parse the first line, understand it, and download the file. It will not understand the second line–it will try to download a file from “http://server.example/Shiny.ttf) format(truetype”–resulting in a 404, so the first file will get used.<br /> Safari will parse both lines, the second will override the first, and thus be used.</p><p>If this method doesn’t work, you can always use conditional comments to provide one src to IE and a different one to other browsers. This way you don’t have to always have the same pair of font names in all your CSS.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: john</title><link>http://www.webdirections.org/blog/the-return-of-font-embedding-to-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-95085</link> <dc:creator>john</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:21:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.webdirections.org/?p=701#comment-95085</guid> <description>For those following this thread, I&#039;ve just &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.webdirections.org/blog/ubiquitous-web-font-embedding-just-got-a-step-closer/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;posted some more thoughts on font linking and embedding&lt;/a&gt;, in light of Mozilla&#039;s upcoming Firefox 3.1 support for @font-face linking to TrueType Fonts.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those following this thread, I’ve just <a href="http://www.webdirections.org/blog/ubiquitous-web-font-embedding-just-got-a-step-closer/" rel="nofollow">posted some more thoughts on font linking and embedding</a>, in light of Mozilla’s upcoming Firefox 3.1 support for @font-face linking to TrueType Fonts.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ubiquitous web font embedding just got a step closer &#124; Web Directions</title><link>http://www.webdirections.org/blog/the-return-of-font-embedding-to-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-95084</link> <dc:creator>Ubiquitous web font embedding just got a step closer &#124; Web Directions</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 22:07:33 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.webdirections.org/?p=701#comment-95084</guid> <description>[...] A couple of months back, I surveyed the scene regarding a long cherished dream of web designers and developers - font linking and embedding. [...]</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] A couple of months back, I surveyed the scene regarding a long cherished dream of web designers and developers — font linking and embedding. […]</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: john</title><link>http://www.webdirections.org/blog/the-return-of-font-embedding-to-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-95074</link> <dc:creator>john</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 20:36:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.webdirections.org/?p=701#comment-95074</guid> <description>Richard,&lt;blockquote&gt;Instead of something they know damned well IE isn’t going to support and even if it did, in IE9, we’d still have to wait out the fall-off of IE6, IE7, and soon, IE8 to negligible levels. Why even bother?&lt;/blockquote&gt;I guess a similar question can be asked of innovations like border-radius, text-shadow, css transitions and really any browser innovations.Font embedding degrades gracefully, and as I demonstrated in this article, the two forms (TT and EOT) can sit side by side. So, I&#039;d argue that as of wide spread adoption of FF 3.1 (some time in the next 3-6 months given FF upgrade rates), you&#039;ll have font embedding technologies in IE (any version), Firefox, Safari (including iPhone), and potentially, Chrome (it seems the webkit version of Chrome was forked off some time ago, so there&#039;d be work to be done) - covering just about every browser on the planet.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,</p><blockquote><p>Instead of something they know damned well IE isn’t going to support and even if it did, in IE9, we’d still have to wait out the fall-off of IE6, IE7, and soon, IE8 to negligible levels.<br /> Why even bother?</p></blockquote><p>I guess a similar question can be asked of innovations like border-radius, text-shadow, css transitions and really any browser innovations.</p><p>Font embedding degrades gracefully, and as I demonstrated in this article, the two forms (TT and EOT) can sit side by side. So, I’d argue that as of wide spread adoption of FF 3.1 (some time in the next 3–6 months given FF upgrade rates), you’ll have font embedding technologies in IE (any version), Firefox, Safari (including iPhone), and potentially, Chrome (it seems the webkit version of Chrome was forked off some time ago, so there’d be work to be done) — covering just about every browser on the planet.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: john</title><link>http://www.webdirections.org/blog/the-return-of-font-embedding-to-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-95073</link> <dc:creator>john</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 20:30:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.webdirections.org/?p=701#comment-95073</guid> <description>Richard,I can only speculate as to why Safari and Firefox implemented embedding with non EOT fonts. But here are a few ideas1. From a technical point of view, I support for EOT would be non trivial to implement. Obviously, both browsers already support TT fonts, so implementing downloadable TT fonts  would clearly be far far less work. 2. As open source projects, given the current status of the EOT specification, under the licenses under which one or both of Mozilla and Webkit are released, it may not legally be possible to have open source software that supports EOT decoding. This has certainly been the case with native support for some audio and video formats in OSS. 3. From a strategic legal POV, supporting DRM for fonts directly in the code base might be a slippery slope. Would it open the prospect that owners of other kinds of IP use support for DRM with respect to fonts to argue that browsers should now natively support DRM for all IP. Given the aggressive approach to both reactively and proactively defending their property rights (real, and sometimes imagined) of for instance the recording industry, do you want to give those folks an inch when it comes to dictating the content policies of your browser? 4. from a business strategy point of view, I imagine companies on the whole don&#039;t typically support the efforts of their competitors to create industry standards.Al as I said of these are speculation pure and simple.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,</p><p>I can only speculate as to why Safari and Firefox implemented embedding with non EOT fonts. But here are a few ideas</p><p>1. From a technical point of view, I support for EOT would be non trivial to implement. Obviously, both browsers already support TT fonts, so implementing downloadable TT fonts  would clearly be far far less work.<br /> 2. As open source projects, given the current status of the EOT specification, under the licenses under which one or both of Mozilla and Webkit are released, it may not legally be possible to have open source software that supports EOT decoding. This has certainly been the case with native support for some audio and video formats in OSS.<br /> 3. From a strategic legal POV, supporting DRM for fonts directly in the code base might be a slippery slope. Would it open the prospect that owners of other kinds of IP use support for DRM with respect to fonts to argue that browsers should now natively support DRM for all IP. Given the aggressive approach to both reactively and proactively defending their property rights (real, and sometimes imagined) of for instance the recording industry, do you want to give those folks an inch when it comes to dictating the content policies of your browser?<br /> 4. from a business strategy point of view, I imagine companies on the whole don’t typically support the efforts of their competitors to create industry standards.</p><p>Al as I said of these are speculation pure and simple.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Richard Fink</title><link>http://www.webdirections.org/blog/the-return-of-font-embedding-to-the-web/comment-page-1/#comment-95066</link> <dc:creator>Richard Fink</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 18 Oct 2008 19:26:43 +0000</pubDate> <guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.webdirections.org/?p=701#comment-95066</guid> <description>@guy Yes, but it&#039;s not enough. For me, at least. Not just a matter of the typeface looking different, if you&#039;re also using ems to size containers it can look very, very, very different. Not a lot of designers or their clients are comfortable with that. I&#039;m assuming a transitional period where more in the way of corrective action via script might need to be taken. If @font-face is not available you might want to roll back to some photoshop text or Flash, for instance. Plus MS, (and I don&#039;t expect this to change) will not be supporting direct linking to TTF/OTF files so you will most likely need a conditionally commented style tag or link along with an equivalent EOT file for IE. (Once again, why did Webkit/Safari/Apple and FF/Mozilla choose not to support, as a first step, the file format with precedent and the support of the font-industry behind it? The file format with an implementation of ten years that&#039;s currently available and ready to benefit at least three out of four people on the Internet? It IS those people we&#039;re supposed to be serving, isn&#039;t it?) Instead of something they know damned well IE isn&#039;t going to support and even if it did, in IE9, we&#039;d still have to wait out the fall-off of IE6, IE7, and soon, IE8 to negligible levels. Why even bother? Is somebody trying to prove a point? Is this some kind of ideological thing that I don&#039;t get?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@guy<br /> Yes, but it’s not enough. For me, at least.<br /> Not just a matter of the typeface looking different, if you’re also using ems to size containers it can look very, very, very different. Not a lot of designers or their clients are comfortable with that. I’m assuming a transitional period where more in the way of corrective action via script might need to be taken. If @font-face is not available you might want to roll back to some photoshop text or Flash, for instance.<br /> Plus MS, (and I don’t expect this to change) will not be supporting direct linking to TTF/OTF files so you will most likely need a conditionally commented style tag or link along with an equivalent EOT file for IE.<br /> (Once again, why did Webkit/Safari/Apple and FF/Mozilla choose not to support, as a first step, the file format with precedent and the support of the font-industry behind it? The file format with an implementation of ten years that’s currently available and ready to benefit at least three out of four people on the Internet? It IS those people we’re supposed to be serving, isn’t it?)<br /> Instead of something they know damned well IE isn’t going to support and even if it did, in IE9, we’d still have to wait out the fall-off of IE6, IE7, and soon, IE8 to negligible levels.<br /> Why even bother?<br /> Is somebody trying to prove a point? Is this some kind of ideological thing that I don’t get?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
<!-- Performance optimized by W3 Total Cache. Learn more: http://www.w3-edge.com/wordpress-plugins/

Minified using disk: basic
Page Caching using disk: enhanced
Database Caching 1/16 queries in 0.016 seconds using disk: basic
Object Caching 539/545 objects using disk: basic

Served from: www.webdirections.org @ 2012-02-09 21:11:59 -->
